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 Post Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2005 12:17 pm    Post subject: Odd time signatures
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Yes or no? I think that they are not needed most of the time.
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 Post Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2005 12:32 pm    Post subject:
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Ahha, a rich vein you have sought out and tripped over...

I think some bands spend too much time on this kind of thing. Odd timings are great for sitting on the sofa and thinking "wow, yeah - that was cool". Unfortunately, this is often at the cost of a song's flow and pace.


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 Post Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2005 2:16 am    Post subject:
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I wouldn't say odd time signatures are 'needed' but they can definitely make things sound more interesting/enjoyable to play and enable you to be more creative.

But what is an 'odd' time signature? 3/4, 5/4 or 7/8? Cos to me those all feel relatively natural if used in good context.

Time changes, rather than signatures can more often make the song feel less fluid if over-used, but again the odd time change here and there can add so much (e.g on Megadeth's Hanger 18, when all the end solos kick in)
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 Post Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2005 1:21 am    Post subject:
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As with many (well every) element in music, if it is done right it can be great. One of the best at it I always thought was Frank Zappa, he wrote some weird stuff but it felt completley natural. And then you have people like Sting (yes Sting!) who uses some odd time signatures and yet they work and don't feel out of place and he gets away with it in pop music!

So it can be done well at times.
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 Post Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 9:32 am    Post subject:
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You can easily kill a song with an odd time signature, if you dont know what you are doing.. however a few bars here and there in the right section and some tempo changes and it's not so bad.

I generally put in tempo changes in songs I write.
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 Post Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 2:17 am    Post subject:
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Not being musically knowledgeable, I know when time changes are happening but I have no idea as to what the time signatures are! I watched a Youtube video of the guitarist and drummer from Meshuggah, it sounded like they were playing random notes very precisely.

Personally, I can dig time changes when I understand them. Progressive metal, for me, is problematic because I want to headbang for ages, but WAIT, we're gonna slow down for no reason! Maddening.

That said, when it works it works amazingly. The album "Obscura" by Gorguts stands out to me, it's a massive head trip but very accessible (take that with a pinch of salt - its not really accessible at all unless you stick at it).

Also, Wuthering Heights are a progressive band that make time changes fun! They are at the ass-kicking end of the scale though, unfortunately a lot of prog is a bit too faggy for me!

In conclusion - If I was drumming, and hopefully by July I will be, I would keep things simple, but that's cos I don't have a PHD in maths!
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